He is the most excellent and enjoyable Person. And Jacob rose up in the morning, and took the stone which he had placed under his head, and he set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it; and Jacob called the name of the place The House of God, and the name of the city formerly was Ulammaus.'. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1885.) And the Lord stood above it, and He said, I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father, and of Isaac; be not afraid: the land whereon you lie to you will I give it, and to your seed; and your seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and shall be extended to the west, and south, and north, and east: and in you, and in your seed, shall all families of the earth be blessed. Son. This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven. And He blessed him there. And when all had agreed on these grounds, I continued: Moreover, I consider it necessary to repeat to you the words which narrate how He who is both Angel and God and Lord, and who appeared as a man to Abraham, and who wrestled in human form with Jacob, was seen by him when he fled from his brother Esau. For we do not understand you to affirm that He has done or said anything contrary to the will of the Maker of all things. In fact, the Holy Father goes beyond mere ecumenical dialogue to include all dialogue in which the Church presently engages with the purpose of bringing about true reconciliation among people. Justin: Have you perceived, my friends, that God says He will give Him whom He has established as a light of the Gentiles, glory, and to no other; and not, as Trypho said, that God was retaining the glory to Himself? Trypho: Let Him be recognised as Lord and Christ and God, as the Scriptures declare, by you of the Gentiles, who have from His name been all called Christians; but we who are servants of God that made this same [Christ], do not require to confess or worship Him. During the conversation… 1976, 5. The audio, published by Church Militant on March 7, reveals a conversation between Bishop Boyea and a victim of Father Patrick Egan. This conference, we’re talking about the early church fathers, saying that the early church was the Catholic Church. You can see the H section of the directory here. and 161 A.D.) We too, would observe your circumcision of the flesh, your Sabbath days, and in a word, all you festivals, if we were not aware of the reason why they were imposed upon you, namely, because of your sins and the hardness of heart. Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight. Justin: I shall give you another testimony, my friends, from the Scriptures, that God begot before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form to Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). Father to Son: A Dialogue on Priesthood. Justin: In addition to the questions I have just now put to you, I wish to put more: for by means of these questions I shall strive to bring the discourse to a speedy termination. The Lord God of hosts shall go forth, He shall destroy war utterly, He shall stir up zeal, and He shall cry aloud to the enemies with strength. Included here are papal encyclicals as well as documents produced by the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, by Bishops' Conferences and by Congregations within the Vatican (e.g. In his Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, St. Justin Martyr writes about the pure sacrifice mentioned by the prophet Malachi once again. Justin: It is again written by Moses, my brethren, that He who is called God and appeared to the patriarchs is called both Angel and Lord, in order that from this you may understand Him to be minister to the Father of all things, as you have already admitted, and may remain firm, persuaded by additional arguments. The word of God, therefore, [recorded] by Moses, when referring to Jacob the grandson of Abraham, speaks thus: And it came to pass, when the sheep conceived, that I saw them with my eyes in the dream: And, behold, the he-goats and the rams which leaped upon the sheep and she-goats were spotted with white, and speckled and sprinkled with a dun color. Justin: Was not the old covenant laid on your fathers with fear and trembling, so that they could not give ear to God? For I would not say that the dogma of that heresy which is said to be among you is true, or that the teachers of it can prove that [God] spoke to angels, or that the human frame was the workmanship of angels. Dialogue with a Lutheran: Church Fathers & “Sola Scriptura” October 13, 2011 Dave Armstrong Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! 13, 2021 - Tue. So that not even here should we be at a loss about anything, if we are acquainted even slightly with figurative modes of expression, and able to rise above them. Vatican City, Oct 15, 2003 / 22:00 pm America/Denver (CNA). My work as editor of Orthodoxy in Dialogue positions me to be almost daily on the receiving end of confidences, inquiries, and appeals for clarity and spiritual support from people around the world, both Orthodox and outside of our Church, many of whom have been deeply wounded by priests such as Father Trenham and the silence of our hierarchs. Justin: You are aware, then, that the Scripture says, 'And the Lord said to Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I truly conceive? Throughout the history of the Church, we read that the norm/ideal for monastic life is to live in a monastic communit… of 2nd Week of Easter, Apr. Justin: Since you certainly admit these things, and since Scripture says, 'Who shall declare His generation?' Justin: I would not bring forward these proofs, Trypho, by which I am aware those who worship these [idols] and such like are condemned, but such [proofs] as no one could find any objection to. [The words] are these: 'O God, give Your judgment to the king, and Your righteousness unto the king's son. Trypho: We do not perceive this from the passage quoted by you, but [only this], that it was an angel who appeared in the flame of fire, but God who conversed with Moses; so that there were really two persons in company with each other, an angel and God, that appeared in that vision. Year of St Joseph Reflection – April 2021 . And I, resuming the discourse where I had left off at a previous stage, when proving that He was born of a virgin, and that His birth of a virgin had been predicted by Isaiah, quoted again the same prophecy. And there he built an altar, and called the name of that place Bethel; for there God appeared to him when he fled from the face of his brother Esau. You said ‘Our Father who art in heaven’ So here I am. And lifting up his eyes, he saw, and behold, three men stood before him; and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the door of his tent; and he bowed himself toward the ground, and said . And the Lord said to Joshua, Behold, I give into your hand Jericho, and its king, [and] its mighty men.'. Justin: I have admitted it, and do admit it: yet I have admitted that He endured all these not as if He were justified by them, but completing the dispensation which His Father, the Maker of all things, and Lord and God, wished Him [to complete]. Justin: Likewise, did not the Scriptures predict that God promised to dispense a new covenant besides that which [was dispensed] in the mountain Horeb? Within the Catholic Church, the term ‘Ecumenism’ refers to efforts of different Christian Churches to develop closer relationships and develop better understandings of their shared faith. And Moses said, I will turn aside and see this great sight, for the bush is not burnt. Therefore these words testify explicitly that He is witnessed to by Him who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ. For there is written by him: 'The Lord says to my Lord, Sit on My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool,' as I have already quoted. 19, 2021 - Mon. Genesis 18:13-14 And after a little interval: 'And the men rose up from thence, and looked towards Sodom and Gomorrha; and Abraham went with them, to bring them on the way. For He can be called by all those names, since He ministers to the Father's will, and since He was begotten of the Father by an act of will; just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word [which remains] in us, when we give it out: and just as we see also happening in the case of a fire, which is not lessened when it has kindled [another], but remains the same; and that which has been kindled by it likewise appears to exist by itself, not diminishing that from which it was kindled. Trypho: Prove this; for, as you see, the day advances, and we are not prepared for such perilous replies; since never yet have we heard any man investigating, or searching into, or proving these matters; nor would we have tolerated your conversation, had you not referred everything to the Scriptures: for you are very zealous in adducing proofs from them; and you are of opinion that there is no God above the Maker of all things. Indeed, the Church has come to recognize and respect the presence of grace, truth and holiness in other religions. 14, 2021 - Wed. of 2nd Week of Easter, Apr. 24, 2021 - Sat.. of 3rd Week of Easter, Apr. What can … The theme was The Early Church Was The Catholic Church. Trypho: No; but God appeared to him, before the vision of the three. But other statements, which they fancy they can distort and harmonize with human actions, these, they say, refer not to this Jesus Christ of ours, but to him of whom they are pleased to explain them. On Early Christian Writings. And speaking in other words, which also have been already quoted, [he says]: 'Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of rectitude is the sceptre of Your kingdom. Genesis 32:22-30. Through prayer and dialogue, the Friars of the Atonement contribute to the unity of God’s people, encouraging discourse among all faiths to lead to better understanding and peace. With a father’s heart. Nonetheless, I do not think we should move the goal post. And He said to him, I am Captain of the Lord's host: now have I come. Genesis 18:1-2 'Abraham went up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the Lord: and he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrha, and toward the adjacent country, and beheld, and, lo, a flame went up from the earth, like the smoke of a furnace.'. Caius, Presbyter of Rome (also known as Gaius) was a Christian author who lived and wrote towards the beginning of the 3rd century. Like I said upstream, modern folks – and Met. And how do you contend with the Lord? Translated by Marcus Dods and George Reith. . If you read what the early Church Fathers of the first centuries said, you will find that they all believed in the Catholic Church which Christ built upon Peter and His successors. Prove also clearly, that after this He rose again and ascended to heaven. Exalt the Lord our God, and worship the footstool of His feet; for He is holy. Genesis 21:9-12 Have you perceived, then, that He who said under the oak that He would return, since He knew it would be necessary to advise Abraham to do what Sarah wished him, came back as it is written; and is God, as the words declare, when they so speak: 'God said to Abraham, Let it not be grievous in your sight because of the son, and because of the bond-woman?'. Genesis 18:16-17 And again, after a little, it thus says: 'The Lord said, The cry of Sodom and Gomorrha is great, and their sins are very grievous. Genesis 31:10-13. But I shall remind you of what the passage says, in order that you may recognise even from this very [place] that God gives glory to His Christ alone. 27, 2021 - Tue. The Lord made me the beginning of His ways for His works. Before all the hills He begets me. 22, 2021 - Thu. And since they are compelled, they agree that some Scriptures which we mention to them, and which expressly prove that Christ was to suffer, to be worshipped, and [to be called] God, and which I have already recited to you, do refer indeed to Christ, but they venture to assert that this man is not Christ. Contact information. I am the Lord God; this is my name: my glory will I not give to another, nor my virtues to graven images. The fourth of those who had remained with Trypho: It must therefore necessarily be said that one of the two angels who went to Sodom, and is named by Moses in the Scripture Lord, is different from Him who also is God and appeared to Abraham. [Sing], you who descend into the sea, and continually sail [on it]; you islands, and inhabitants thereof. Justin Martyr. Dialogue in extreme depth on the question of perspicuity, or immediately apparent clearness of Scripture: particularly the views of Church Fathers on the topic. Trypho: This point has been proved to me forcibly, and by many arguments, my friend. (To help fight spam, this address might change occasionally.) 29, 2021 - Thu. The Orthodox view of dialogue with other religions is also rooted in the Church Fathers. And Jericho was shut up and fortified, and no one went out of it. Therefore, although you act wrongfully, I shall continue to reply to any proposition you shall bring forward, and to any contradiction which you make; and, in fact, I do the very same to all men of every nation, who wish to examine along with me, or make inquiry at me, regarding this subject. 21, 2021 - Wed. of 3rd Week of Easter, Apr. 6. But they who sin against me, trespass against their own souls; and they who hate me love death. And he said, Jacob. Includes the Catholic Encyclopedia, Church Fathers, Summa, Bible and more all for only $19.99... Trypho: We shall remember this your exposition, if you strengthen [your solution of] this difficulty by other arguments: but now resume the discourse, and show us that the Spirit of prophecy admits another God besides the Maker of all things, taking care not to speak of the sun and moon, which, it is written, God has given to the nations to worship as gods; and oftentimes the prophets, employing this manner of speech, say that 'your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of lords,' adding frequently, 'the great and strong and terrible [God].' But God said to Abraham, Let it not be grievous in your sight because of the son, and because of the bond-woman. Justin: Now assuredly, Trypho, I shall show that, in the vision of Moses, this same One alone who is called an Angel, and who is God, appeared to and communed with Moses. Trypho: Prove now that this is the case, that we also may agree with you. Behold, this city is near to flee unto, and it is small: there I shall be safe, since it is small; and any soul shall live. God promised that there would be another covenant, not like that old one, and said that it would be laid on them without fear, and trembling, and lightnings, and that it would be such as to show what kind of commands and deeds God knows to be eternal and suited to every nation, and what commandments He has given, suiting them to the hardness of your people's hearts, as He exclaims also by the prophets. The passage, then, which Isaiah records, 'Who shall declare His generation? For I have seen what Laban does unto you. God made the country, and the desert, and the highest inhabited places under the sky. Do you also give me your attention. Justin Martyr was born around AD 100 at Flavia Neapolis (today Nablus) in Samaria. Trypho: How then does the Word say to David, that out of his loins God shall take to Himself a Son, and shall establish His kingdom, and shall set Him on the throne of His glory? Trypho: The Scriptures compel me to admit it. My email address is feedback732 at newadvent.org. And we accordingly must diligently scrutinize all that we meet with, in order to give our assent to those things which the Scriptures compel us [to believe]. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign; Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and shall bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel. It saddens us deeply that our support for him and the monastery has caused some of our brothers and sisters in the Orthodox Church to hate him by association. Make haste to save yourself there; for I shall not do anything till you have come there. 1. Amen, Amen.' Chapter XLIII.—Responsibility asserted. You’ve interrupted me again. .' Genesis 35:6-10. Kallistos is very much a “modern man” – load “dialogue” with all sorts of weight and meaning that it simply does not have in any context, let alone the modern one… And Deborah, Rebekah's nurse, died, and was buried beneath Bethel under an oak: and Jacob called the name of it The Oak of Sorrow. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night shows knowledge: They are not speeches or words whose voices are heard. They are as follows: 'And Jacob went out from the well of the oath, and went toward Charran. Justin: If I undertook to prove this by doctrines or arguments of man, you should not bear with me. Whether it will come remains to be seen. And again, in other words: 'Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever. of 3rd Week of Easter, Apr. The First Epistle of Clement (c. 96), is the earliest extant epistle from a Church Father. Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God; even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in … And Lot said to them, I beseech [You], O Lord, since Your servant has found grace in Your sight, and You have magnified Your righteousness, which You show towards me in saving my life; but I cannot escape to the mountain, lest evil overtake me, and I die. These are the words: 'And God said, Behold, Adam has become as one of us, to know good and evil.' Listen, therefore, to the following from the book of Joshua, that what I say may become manifest to you; it is this: 'And it came to pass, when Joshua was near Jericho, he lifted up his eyes, and sees a man standing over against him. of 3rd Week of Easter, Apr. Justin: Do you think that God appeared to Abraham under the oak in Mamre, as the Scripture asserts? Sing unto the Lord a new song: His sovereignty [is] from the end of the earth. Justin: Be it so, since you think so; yet I am persuaded that I speak the truth. For man was not made from God by falling away, nor was God made of man by advancement. From everlasting He established me in the beginning, before He had made the earth, and before He had made the deeps, before the springs of the waters had issued forth, before the mountains had been established. If translated into the languages of mud, the meaning of such sound would correspond to the following dialogue between the Father Speaking to His Son and toward the Three-Himselves through and within the Holy Spirit: And Joshua approached to Him, and said, Are you for us, or for our adversaries? 16, 2021 - Fri. of 2nd Week of Easter, Apr. The first eight or nine documents are also known as the Apostolic Fathers. Caius, Presbyter of Rome (also known as Gaius) was a Christian author who lived and wrote towards the beginning of the 3rd century. And in order that the Holy Spirit may convince [us] of this, He said by the holy David, 'The gods of the nations, reputed gods, are idols of demons, and not gods;' and He denounces a curse on those who worship them. A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of Your kingdom: You have loved righteousness and hated iniquity: therefore God, even Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness above Your fellows.' But more than this, the Church realizes it stands to benefit from dialogue with other spiritual traditions. of 4th Week of Easter, May 04, 2021 - Tue. Justin: I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things; who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things— above whom there is no other God — wishes to announce to them. ST. JUSTIN MARTYR DIALOGUE WITH TRYPHO CHAPTER I -- INTRODUCTION While I was going about one morning in the walks of the Xystus, a certain man, with others in his company, having met me, and said, "Hail, O philosopher!" Genesis 19:23. Celebrating St Joseph. Is anything impossible with God? For such expressions are used, not as if they really were gods, but because the Scripture is teaching us that the true God, who made all things, is Lord alone of those who are reputed gods and lords. 15, 2021 - Thu. For His life is taken away from the earth,' Isaiah 53:8— does it not appear to you to refer to One who, not having descent from men, was said to be delivered over to death by God for the transgressions of the people?— of whose blood, Moses (as I mentioned before), when speaking in parable, said, that He would wash His garments in the blood of the grape; since His blood did not spring from the seed of man, but from the will of God. Justin: Permit me first, Trypho, to collect some other proofs on this head, so that you, by the large number of them, may be persuaded of [the truth of] it, and thereafter I shall explain what you ask. Justin: This, too, has been already demonstrated by me in the previously quoted words of the prophecies, my friends; which, by recalling and expounding for your sakes, I shall endeavour to lead you to agree with me also about this matter. I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to their cry which has come unto me; and if not, that I may know. 26, 2021 - Mon. But I shall not venture to suppose or to say such a thing; and if a Scripture which appears to be of such a kind be brought forward, and if there be a pretext [for saying] that it is contrary [to some other], since I am entirely convinced that no Scripture contradicts another, I shall admit rather that I do not understand what is recorded, and shall strive to persuade those who imagine that the Scriptures are contradictory, to be rather of the same opinion as myself. Simply because we fallen human beings fall short of the ideal is no reason to change that towards which we strive. Trypho: (When I was silent.) Justin: If you spoke these words, Trypho, and then kept silence in simplicity and with no ill intent, neither repeating what goes before nor adding what comes after, you must be forgiven; but if [you have done so] because you imagined that you could throw doubt on the passage, in order that I might say the Scriptures contradicted each other, you have erred. Ecumenical activities and interfaith dialogues are encouraged in the Diocese of Sale. Translated by Marcus Dods and George Reith. Did I hear a voice? And if you prove from the Scriptures that He is the Christ, and that on account of having led a life conformed to the law, and perfect, He deserved the honour of being elected to be Christ, [it is well]; but do not venture to tell monstrous phenomena, lest you be convicted of talking foolishly like the Greeks. However, the Muratorian fragment, an early attempt to establish the canon of the New Testament, is often attributed to Caius and is included in that collection. The Lord has sworn, and will not repent, You are a priest for ever, after the order of Melchizedek,' — does this not declare to you that [He was] from of old, and that the God and Father of all things intended Him to be begotten by a human womb? Falls's translation, which appeared in Fathers of the Church, vol. And from the other words of David, also previously quoted, which you foolishly affirm refer to Solomon, [because] inscribed for Solomon, it can be proved that they do not refer to Solomon, and that this [Christ] existed before the sun, and that those of your nation who are saved shall be saved through Him. Justin: Do you think that any other one is said to be worthy of worship and called Lord and God in the Scriptures, except the Maker of all, and Christ, who by so many Scriptures was proved to you to have become man? He Spoke in the unknown sound of celestial sublimity with which all that did not exist was pronounced into its existence. of 4th Week of Easter, Apr. And I shall take up some short passages, sirs, those which are in connection with what has been said by Trypho, and those which are also joined on in consecutive order. Image: Diocese of Parramatta . Genesis 18:20-23. Justin: Trypho, if the prophecy which Isaiah uttered, 'Behold, the virgin shall conceive,' is said not to the house of David, but to another house of the twelve tribes, perhaps the matter would have some difficulty; but since this prophecy refers to the house of David, Isaiah has explained how that which was spoken by God to David in mystery would take place. It remains, then, to prove that He submitted to become man by the Virgin, according to the will of His Father; and to be crucified, and to die. When the dialogue commission met with Pope John Paul II on 18 September 2000, the Holy Father commented on its focus of study which relates the themes of Church and the kingdom of God, encouraging it, in these words: "in recenthistory we have seen the agony causedby ideologies which have sought to displace God and his reign. And God blessed them, and said, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and have power over it.' In faithfulness to the divine initiative, the Church too must enter into a … Edward Joos on August 7, 1898. Accordingly, if you had bestowed attention on the Scriptures previously quoted by me, you would already have understood, that those who are saved of your own nation are saved through this [man], and partake of His lot; and you would not certainly have asked me about this matter. of 4th Week of Easter, Apr. Justin: If I could not have proved to you from the Scriptures that one of those three is God, and is called Angel, because, as I already said, He brings messages to those to whom God the Maker of all things wishes [messages to be brought], then in regard to Him who appeared to Abraham on earth in human form in like manner as the two angels who came with Him, and who was God even before the creation of the world, it were reasonable for you to entertain the same belief as is entertained by the whole of your nation. And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! We rejoice to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus, God’s Son, born again of the Father’s divine life, and filled with the Holy Spirit. Edited by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. But they admit that He will come to suffer, and to reign, and to be worshipped, and to be God; and this opinion I shall in like manner show to be ridiculous and silly. Source. Trypho: Certainly; but you have not proved from this that there is another God besides Him who appeared to Abraham, and who also appeared to the other patriarchs and prophets. And again, in other terms, referring to the same Jacob, it says the following: And Jacob came to Luz, in the land of Canaan, which is Bethel, he and all the people that were with him. This convictio… The mountains shall take up peace to the people, and the little hills righteousness. For I admit that He endured crucifixion and death, and the incarnation, and the suffering of as many afflictions as your nation put upon Him. God, in an age-long dialogue, has offered and continues to offer salvation to humankind. . And the Lord said, I will not conceal from Abraham, my servant, what I do.' 0.0 Introduction. Justin: What then? JOHN PAUL II . And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and said, Surely the Lord is in this place, and I knew it not. 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